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STOP THE HATE #164 - Movie Pirating

Posted by James on June 20, 2012 at 12:00 AM

The entertainment world is in a rapid state of decline. One could argue this is due to the quality of film and television, though that is all a matter of opinion and not mathematical fact. The problem is, frankly, that movies and TV cost more to produce because everyone involved, from the producers to the stars to the FX folks, want more and more money to do their jobs. There’s only one way to pay for that...pass it on to us.

I used to go to a movie almost every week. So far this year I’ve only been to two, Avengers and Prometheus, and there are only a few more I have any desire to see. Why? Yes, there’s the quality issue. I have no desire to see Spider-man get bit again, or to see Will Smith do the Men in Black schtick yet again. But the real reason is money. Taking my whole family to a matinee - a matinee - costs me nearly $30. For Prometheus it was just my girlfriend and I. There were no matinees available. It cost me $25 for two tickets. Not for 3D or IMAX, for regular old 2D on an average screen. We didn’t get popcorn. We didn’t get soda. Those are Minnesota prices by the way. When I took my whole family to go see The Dark Knight we lived in California, and it cost me $60...again, no IMAX, no popcorn, no soda, and that was back in 2008.

Then there’s TV...now that’s a laugh! As I’ve told everybody over and over, I got rid of cable a few months back. I was paying $162 a month for a cable / internet package. Now I pay $52. Upon hearing that I got rid of cable, my friend asked me, “Dude, how do you live?” Quite simply put, I live just fine. I still see the handful of shows I love - 30 Rock, Avengers, Family Guy, The Walking Dead - but now I download the individual episodes through the Playstation Store. On a busy month I may spend up to $40 on TV shows. With most of those shows on summer hiatus, I now spend less than $10.

Once upon a time I was big into illegal downloading. I mostly swiped music, but every now and then I’d pick up a movie or TV show. Despite Hollywood’s insistence that I should look back in abject shame at my “crime,” I don’t. I only stopped illegally downloading because it wasn’t worth the constant threat of a virus taking down my computer. That and I saw the way “pirates” were being crucified if they got caught. One poor bastard who dared to download Ang Lee’s...ahem...“masterpiece,” Hulk, wound up losing everything he owned and went to jail. He would have gotten an easier sentence if he just got caught shoplifting the DVD.


Hollywood wants you to believe that you downloading Avengers is going to throw poor, hard working union folks out of work. After all, if you cut into a studios profits they have to make up the money somehow, don’t they? All those poor gaffers and caterers.

Here’s the thing though: Robert Downey, Jr. made over $50 million for Avengers. Is he going to donate that money to make sure the studios don’t have to fire those affected by all the horrible, evil criminals who downloaded the Joss Whedon film? Hell, even half of what he made on Avengers would pay the salaries of an entire Hollywood film.

Speaking of Avengers, that movie has been illegally downloaded a lot. Anyone who wants to watch it right now on their computer can do so with just a simple Google search. Yet as of the time of this writing the movie is the third highest grossing film of all time. There were quite a few pirated versions of Avatar floating around back in Christmas 2009, but that movie went on to make more than any movie has in history.

Now, does pirating movies cost studios money? Of course it does. John Carter was file shared more than any other movie last month, yet it flopped at the box office. If all those who downloaded it paid to see the movie in the theater it wouldn’t have flopped quite so epically at the box office...oh it still would have flopped, but maybe it wouldn’t have been Disney’s biggest mistake in history.

Here’s the problem: Most of the people who downloaded John Carter wouldn’t have gone to see it in the theater. They downloaded it because they didn’t have the money for a movie ticket, or because the trailers didn’t sell them and they didn’t want to pay an outrageous amount of money to be let down. Should they have paid for a ticket? That’s a moral debate, and that’s not what I’m here to talk about. What I’m saying is, John Carter didn’t bomb because of some teenage girl sitting at her computer with too much time on her hands. It bombed because the studio spent upwards of $300 million on a single film. Studios need to wake up to the fact that not every movie is going to make a billion dollars at the box office.

Now Hollywood wants us to believe that laws need to be put in place, to protect their profits from the big bad pirates. They think we need to have our on-line freedoms stripped away so they can make more money on a business model that doesn’t make sense in a digital world. HBO wants to see Netflix fail so people will continue to overpay for the occasional good movie and Game of Thrones. Networks continue to cancel shows that under perform in primetime but are huge on iTunes.

And film studios? They churn out movie after movie that cost $200 million to make and another $100 million to market and are shocked that they aren’t making their money back in the middle of a recession. Do they scale back their movies massive budgets? Do stars take a pay cut? No, instead hard working union members, the men and women who put nails in sets and load trucks, are let go. Hollywood wants you to think that’s the fault of on-line pirates. What do you think?

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15 Comments

Reply Gurning Chimp
08:40 AM on June 20, 2012 
I tend to stream the latest Simpsons episodes because they won't be shown in the UK for about 10 years after they're first shown in the US. I'm also likely to do so for Game Of Thrones once I find a site I know I can trust.

If you don't want me to seek out shady methods of watching shows on the Internet, than make Hulu and the other official streaming sites available in the UK! There's only so much shit we can take in Europe!
Reply alexthed
08:13 PM on June 19, 2012 
This article reminds me of a discussion I had with a friend. When Snakes on a Plane bombed at the box office, my brother pointed out, that's why you don't make movies for the internet crowd - because they don't show up. My friend didn't buy that argument, but another friend concurred pointing out that he knows people who haven't PAID to see a movie in five years.
BTW, wanna save money at the movies? Listen to the interview Nycea did back in December - You'll never eat popcorn again!
Reply Ratin8tor
06:37 PM on June 19, 2012 
There are two things that really piss me off:

1)Unstubstantial DVD extras: I can already get the movie from free by illegally downloading it (I don't, but the opportunity is there). I'm not paying $30 for something I can get for free. But I will pay money for the variety of DVD extras that aren't online.

Compare the classic Doctor Who DVDs with more modern releases. Both cost the same, but the classics usually come with an hour to an hour and a half of behind the scenes stuff that is enough to justify buying it. All the modern releases have are four episodes. You're paying more for less content when compared to the old 1960s-1980s stuff. People wouldn't download illegally if there was something on the DVD worth buying.

2)DVD + Blu Ray + Media Copy packs: This annoys the ever loveing crap out of me. I can buy the Green Lantern DVD for $30, or the combo pack for $40. Following that logic the Blu Ray and Media Copy must only cost, at most, $10. So the question simply becomes this:

Why not sell the fucking Media Copy and save on shipping and handling?

Seriously if they sold movies $2-$3 a pop people would buy them without a second thought. They tried it with Itunes, and artists are making more money then ever before.

Furthermore imagine if you sold every new episode of Glee for, ooh, $3 when it was released (since it takes months to hit NZ shores). At the end of the seires you've made $66, MAKING MORE MONEY THEN JUST SELLING THE DVD WITH ALL THE EPISODES ON! Seriously people are stupid, you could easily make a good profit buy selling them subscriptions and watching the money roll in. You don't have to spend money on making the DVD or shipping it, you make profit, you win. Why are companies too stupid to do this?

One final point that I'm curious about: DVD's are going to go extinct. VHS did the same thing. So at some point I'm gonna have to put all my DVD's onto my computer as files rather then buy them all over again. The question I ask lawyers is this: Is it legal? If not, then why not just cut out the middle man and pirate movies instead?
Reply James
06:01 PM on June 19, 2012 
SomeJerkFromBoston says...
Piracy or no, every movie that comes out of a movie studio is declared to be in the red. Even Titanic. They have gotten really got at making a profit off the tax breaks from losing money from these films. This is the sad truth. The Weinsteins are especially good at it. Pirating a big movie doesn't make a difference. Smaller films, on the other hand, it does. The only time I would ever pirate a small movie is when I want to punish it. I do the same for big movies too, but, if the movie is a hit, it's almost like I'm doing them a favor.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That's a real shame. There's no incentive to make a good movie if you make money off your flops.
Reply James
06:00 PM on June 19, 2012 
Kyle R says...
To me it's simple. The entertainment industry that we know has had a lot of power for a very long time, just like the studio system that was in place years and years before. And like the studio system they're being pushed out buy a new wave of technology and by the people who use that technology. Now is this happening solely because they keep turning out shitty products year after year? Maybe. But that's beside the point. The fact is that every product and system gets replaced with something better. That's just progress and most of the time people have no problem with it. But since the entertainment industry has been around for years and has a lot of money they can try and halt progress, with the key word being try. It's pointless and kind of pathetic but they can afford to do it. It's also somewhat understandable. They don't wanna be usurped... why would anybody. But you'd think they'd realize the key to their survival would be to work with this new system, and indeed some of them have. But the majority feel the need to curtail progress by trying to get new laws passed. Their way is my way or the highway and that's simply not good for business, which is why they'll fade away in a couple years, unless they change, which we all know they won't.

In short, the empire is crumbling and it's too stubborn or stupid to know why.

Great article. Sorry for the long rant.

Loved the rant, lol

Like I said, simple answer to a simple problem: Same day downloads of movies. It would be huge. Take Avengers. Some families couldn't afford to see that movie. Some people don't have $30-50 to spend on movie tickets. However, they would have $15 to spend on a download. Right there you increase your audience and have bigger profits on opening weekend. Four months later you release the blu-ray, as usual, and people who like having the physical copy (like myself) will buy it. People will still see the movies in the theater for the spectacle, but those who want to see the movie at home can do so and not be forced to download the movie illegally.
Reply James
05:57 PM on June 19, 2012 
Chris Lang says...
It's possible that raising prices might cause an increase in online piracy, causing a further raise in movie prices, causing a further increase in online piracy, causing a further raise in movie prices, causing a further increase in online piracy, causing ... and so on, and so forth, you get the idea.

But yes, the movie studios COULD scale back their budgets, or their stars could take pay cuts. But what keeps them from doing that are two of the Seven Deadly Sins: Pride and Avarice. Their egos, and their desires to keep making the same kind of money (or MORE money) despite economic recession, keep them from changing their business models.

You raise a good point: Ego is what its all about. Its the same problem in Washington. There are easy solutions to problems regarding the economy, but it would require both parties to eat crow, and neither wants to do that. Its got to be all one way or all the other, and neither way works. Hollywood is having the same problem. "No we won't fold! You'll pay what we tell you to pay and see our product the way we tell you to or we'll throw you in jail!"
Reply James
05:55 PM on June 19, 2012 
BigBlackHatMan says...
This is a tough issue in my mind as I don't download, but I don't believe it is killing Hollywood either. There are just more options and they don't have the monopoly they used to, so rather than go quietly and adjust, they have decided to scream and pay off everyone they can to get the monopoly back. It is far too late for this, but they keep giving Michael Bay work. Honestly, if they would adjust and make their movies more available and accept certain averages at the theaters, the problem would get solved.

Oh, John Carter was okay. Michael Eisner is still Disney's biggest mistake. Good work

Monopoly is the right word. The studios HATE Netflix and think it should be shut down, yet they are not able to deny that its business model is more popular. They are caught between the past and the future and right now, in the present, its hurting them tremendously. The future is same day digital downloads for movies. No one will download Avengers illegally if they can get it on Amazon or iTunes.
Reply James
05:52 PM on June 19, 2012 
Oliver Judd says...
Just one big fat lesson to them to start making good movies.

At least to make more of them. Good movies like Inception, Avengers, and Rise of the Planet of the Apes are still made in Hollywood. Of course they also make Alice in Wonderland, Snow White and the Huntsman, and Twilight.
Reply James
05:51 PM on June 19, 2012 
JotaKa says...
I don't think this could be looked upon as a black and white issue, as I don't think anyone lives outside of gray areas.

I'm going to use me as an example. Let's say I want to buy an album from Boston, released in the late seventies... as I'm trying right now. Well, tough luck for me. The stores don't have it. Oh, but I could buy on itunes or amazon, or even get a physical copy on ebay or some shit... if I had an international credit card. So, what's it going to be?

I can say the same about movies. If I want to see an old movie that didn't got any recognition whatsoever (like Beastmaster 2), I wouldn't be able to outside of the ilegal download... so I shouldn't do it? I think I should.

However, I believe that if you can support the industry you're interested in, go for it. Go to the concerts, go to the theaters. If you can't for one reason or another, do your best. That's what I believe.

I remember downloading Monster Squad at a time when you couldn't get it on DVD. I also downloaded a lot of rare live music tracks and b-sides that were impossible to find it store. Why should someone be thrown in jail for downloading something you can't find anywhere else?
Reply SomeJerkFromBoston
04:05 PM on June 19, 2012 
Piracy or no, every movie that comes out of a movie studio is declared to be in the red. Even Titanic. They have gotten really got at making a profit off the tax breaks from losing money from these films. This is the sad truth. The Weinsteins are especially good at it. Pirating a big movie doesn't make a difference. Smaller films, on the other hand, it does. The only time I would ever pirate a small movie is when I want to punish it. I do the same for big movies too, but, if the movie is a hit, it's almost like I'm doing them a favor.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Reply The Man With No Chin
01:02 PM on June 19, 2012 
To me it's simple. The entertainment industry that we know has had a lot of power for a very long time, just like the studio system that was in place years and years before. And like the studio system they're being pushed out buy a new wave of technology and by the people who use that technology. Now is this happening solely because they keep turning out shitty products year after year? Maybe. But that's beside the point. The fact is that every product and system gets replaced with something better. That's just progress and most of the time people have no problem with it. But since the entertainment industry has been around for years and has a lot of money they can try and halt progress, with the key word being try. It's pointless and kind of pathetic but they can afford to do it. It's also somewhat understandable. They don't wanna be usurped... why would anybody. But you'd think they'd realize the key to their survival would be to work with this new system, and indeed some of them have. But the majority feel the need to curtail progress by trying to get new laws passed. Their way is my way or the highway and that's simply not good for business, which is why they'll fade away in a couple years, unless they change, which we all know they won't.

In short, the empire is crumbling and it's too stubborn or stupid to know why.

Great article. Sorry for the long rant.
Reply Chris Lang
12:52 PM on June 19, 2012 
It's possible that raising prices might cause an increase in online piracy, causing a further raise in movie prices, causing a further increase in online piracy, causing a further raise in movie prices, causing a further increase in online piracy, causing ... and so on, and so forth, you get the idea.

But yes, the movie studios COULD scale back their budgets, or their stars could take pay cuts. But what keeps them from doing that are two of the Seven Deadly Sins: Pride and Avarice. Their egos, and their desires to keep making the same kind of money (or MORE money) despite economic recession, keep them from changing their business models.
Reply BigBlackHatMan
12:46 PM on June 19, 2012 
This is a tough issue in my mind as I don't download, but I don't believe it is killing Hollywood either. There are just more options and they don't have the monopoly they used to, so rather than go quietly and adjust, they have decided to scream and pay off everyone they can to get the monopoly back. It is far too late for this, but they keep giving Michael Bay work. Honestly, if they would adjust and make their movies more available and accept certain averages at the theaters, the problem would get solved.

Oh, John Carter was okay. Michael Eisner is still Disney's biggest mistake. Good work
Reply Oliver Judd
12:37 PM on June 19, 2012 
Just one big fat lesson to them to start making good movies.
Reply JotaKa
12:35 PM on June 19, 2012 
I don't think this could be looked upon as a black and white issue, as I don't think anyone lives outside of gray areas.

I'm going to use me as an example. Let's say I want to buy an album from Boston, released in the late seventies... as I'm trying right now. Well, tough luck for me. The stores don't have it. Oh, but I could buy on itunes or amazon, or even get a physical copy on ebay or some shit... if I had an international credit card. So, what's it going to be?

I can say the same about movies. If I want to see an old movie that didn't got any recognition whatsoever (like Beastmaster 2), I wouldn't be able to outside of the ilegal download... so I shouldn't do it? I think I should.

However, I believe that if you can support the industry you're interested in, go for it. Go to the concerts, go to the theaters. If you can't for one reason or another, do your best. That's what I believe.

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